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rich
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Posted - 07/02/2008 :  3:42:39 PM  Show Profile Send rich a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That just reminded me of the most compelling video that nasa has besides the tether video,is the one where there is an object in the atmosphere and shot at, you can see the flash of light and then the thing just darts offf in the other direction at an amazing speed while the missle or rocket zips past.Please correct me if i'm wrong but i believe this was the star wars project.

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well if you think about if seeing other ships of their people being shoot at and mabey destroyed, dalekblaster



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treborn
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Posted - 07/22/2008 :  10:34:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit treborn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The ufo is a great story realy.

but makeing it a fake one is just bazar and im realy into the subject and i need some proff of where to go and see the ufo.

My old life as Treborn haunts me for im am the son of the Antichrist.

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Posted - 07/27/2008 :  11:48:42 AM  Show Profile  Visit treborn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
UFO COVER-UP

ALIEN NATION OR CONSPIRACY THEORY?
By William Cooper

"For those of you who don't know who I am, I was raised in a military family. My family, my ancestors, since they came to this country, have been government people. We have served in the military, we have been patriots, we have fought in all the wars, we care about this country and believe in the constitution of the United States. We know, as many people don't know, that the Constitution of the United States of America IS the United States of America! And that's why we've always been ready... to do the things needed... to preserve and protect it."

"When I left home I went into the Air Force, the Strategic Air Command. As a child I'd heard stories from my father and pilots, other pilots, my father was a pilot, about Foo Fighters, UFO's, strange craft that were not made on this Earth. And as a kid, you hear that in passing, and it's neat, and you giggle about it, and you go out and play "Space Man", and you forget it."

"When I was in the Air Force I met men who had participated in alien crashed-craft recoveries. Now this intrigued me, it interested me, but it was usually after quite a few bottles of beer that these stories would come out, and sometimes the next morning I couldn't remember what the heck the guy said."

"When I left the Air Force I went into the Navy, and this is where everything began to happen for me. I had originally intended to just go from service to service and do something that very few people have ever done before. I was a very adventurous, very crazy... young man, and I thought that that would be a pretty exciting life. I volunteered for submarines, and while on the submarine U.S.S. Tyroot, SS-416, on a transit between the Portland/Seattle area and Pearl Harbor, which was our home port; the Pearl Harbor sub base, as the port lookout I saw a craft, saucer-shaped, the size of a Midway class carrier, aircraft carrier, for those of you who don't know how big that is; it's huge, come up out of the water approximately 2 1/2 nautical miles off the port bow, which is about 45 degrees to the left of the pointy end of the submarine. It tumbled slowly on its own axis, and went up into the clouds. It appeared to be moving slowly to me at a distance of 2 1/2 nautical miles, but in reality it was moving pretty fast because it came up out of the water, did a few tumbles and it was gone!"

"I then reported it to the officer of the deck. I didn't tell him what it was that I saw because my Daddy didn't raise no fools and in case nobody else saw it I didn't want to be the only loony onboard the ship. So I asked the officer of the deck to help me cover that area, and he did, which is common for officers and lookouts to help each other while on bridge watch because they all hang together if something bad happens. After a few seconds of watching, the same craft, or another craft exactly like it, came down out of the clouds, tumbled again on its own axis, and went into the water. Ensign Ball, who was the officer of the deck, was literally shocked! What could I say? Seaman Dejeralimo, who was the starboard lookout, had also witnessed this, and ensign Ball called the captain to the bridge who was followed by the chief quartermaster who brought a 35MM camera, and we watched for between 7 and 10 minutes the same craft, or different craft that looked exactly alike, enter and leave the water. It was an incredible show. I don't know if they knew we were there, or if they even cared, but the craft did not glow, they were metal, they were machines without a doubt, they were obviously intelligently guided, they were HUGE, and having been in the Air Force and the Navy and knowing what it takes, I knew without a doubt, and know it today, that that machine was not made on the face of this Earth. Because there's nothing that man can make, that can fly through the air at a speed like that, tumble on its own axis, and enter the water and effectively fly beneath the sea."

"If you've ever been aboard an airplane and then gone aboard a submarine, I know there's probably some of you in this room who have visited a submarine at one time or another, you can readily see just without even any of the technicalities involved how difficult such a thing would be to do. Where would it be built, that size? It was absolutely incredible. It changed my life because then all the stories that I'd heard all my life I knew were true, and I began seeing the world in a different light."

"It wasn't long after that I was trained by Naval security in intelligence. I was sent to Vietnam. I was assigned as a patrol boat captain, first in DaNang harbor, given a crew, given a multi-million dollar patrol boat. My job was to gather intelligence from the people who lived around the harbor and the fishermen who transited the harbor, and maintain the safety and security of the harbor and the shipping. After about 5-months I was sent up North to the DMZ, to a place called Qua Vieaf [sp], on the Tacan [sp] river. Our base camp was at the river mouth. We were only 3-miles South of the North Vietnamese border and our job was to patrol the Tacan river from the river mouth to Dang Ha [sp], and then up the Quang Tree [sp] cutoff to Quang Tree city, again to get to know the people on the bank, gather intelligence, and to patrol every night and maintain the safety and security of the river and the river traffic."

"It was while there that I discovered that there was a tremendous amount of UFO and alien activity in Vietnam. It was always reported in official messages as `enemy helicopters.' Now any of you who know anything about the Vietnam war know that the North Vietnamese did not have any helicopters, especially after our first couple of air raids into North Vietnam. Even if they had they would not have been so foolish as to bring them over the DMZ because that would have insured their demise. Our troops were fired on occasionally by these `enemy helicopters,' enemy troops were fired on occasionally by these `enemy helicopters,' and occasionally people would disappear. And on one instance that I know for sure at least one entire village disappeared one night due to alien activity. The reason they used the term `enemy helicopters' in messages and dispatches was that in Vietnam you could be overrun at any time, no matter where you where. They did not bring crypto encoding equipment into Vietnam, I'm talking about the machinery. What we did is we had crypto tables, and once we every 24-hours those codes would be no good. So that's what we used. We also, because of the inability to use crypto transmitting equipment, had to devise code words such as `enemy helicopters.'"

"When I left Vietnam I was eventually attached to the headquarters staff of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet at Macalappa, [sp] Hawaii, which is a little hill overlooking Pearl Harbor, it's a beautiful white building up there, and I was specifically attached to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet."

"It was during this tour of duty that, in the course of my duties, documents were placed in my hands that were so unbelievable and so incredible that it took me quite a while to adjust to the fact that what I was seeing was real. Now for those of you who don't understand how I could come to see this information let me give you a little short course in security clearance and "the need to know" and how you get to see classified information if you're in the military or in the government, it doesn't matter which, the rules are the same."

"Number one you need a security clearance, and you've got to have clearance at the level that the information you want to see is classified at. In this instance it was classified `Top Secret, Magic, Restricted Information,' which I came to find out later is the highest security classification in the Nation. To get that type of clearance, all you have to have is a Federal Bureau of Investigation background check, which takes about six months and they send federal agents to your home, to your old schools, to all your teachers, to your friends, to everybody you put down on your security clearance forms, to all your old addresses, your neighbors, everybody that you've worked for, and it's embarrassing because they don't tell them what they're checking on. They just show them their identification and start asking questions and that's when you find out who's your friend and who's not, because a lot of people get scared and think, `Bill just robbed a bank and I'm not talkin' to him anymore.'"

"Now once you get that it's called a `B.I.' and for those of you who have received a copy of my service record look on the first page, the DD- 214 where it says `Security Clearance,' you will see the term `B.I.' That's a `Bureau of Investigation' clearance. Now at that point, you have the clearance for everything including Top Secret and above. What determines what you get to see is your need to know, and the job that you have determines what your need to know is."

"I was assigned to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet, who had to know everything concerning his area of operations which was one-half of the Earth's surface; the Indian ocean, the Pacific ocean, and all the land masses in between. Believe it or not, if we go to war, if we ever go to war, it's the United States Navy that strikes the first blow and attempts to keep the enemy at bay while we can get ourselves together, at least historically. Nuclear weapons have kind of done away with that concept, but military commanders like to talk about it anyway."

"Because of this, and you have no conception of the amount of material and information that an area commander has to know, it's unbelievable, and he has to keep track of this, he has to keep on top of it. He has to know what's happening, he has to make the right decisions. Because it's almost humanly impossible for anyone to do that, they have what's called a briefing team, and it's our job to make sure that he has the correct information, all the time, on a 24-hour basis. And every morning, between 8 and 9 AM, we would give a briefing which covered everything that happened in the previous 24-hours, and everything scheduled to happen in the next 24-hours, and all the pertinent intelligence reports that we had received since the last briefing that he needed to know and that his staff members needed to know. Occasionally we would get messages marked `Top Secret, Magic, Restricted Information,' and it would be coded in such a way that all you had were answers to questions which you didn't know what the questions were so you really didn't know what the message was all about."

"But eventually I found myself in possession, holding two documents; one called `Project Grudge,' another one called `Operation Majority.' Project Grudge contained the history of alien involvement since around 1936, and it began talking about Germany's involvement with a crashed disk that they had recovered in 1936 and were attempting to duplicate the technology. They were not successful despite what all these Nazi hunters want to tell you. If they had been successful, we would not have won the war, because you cannot beat those weapons! You cannot outfly those craft, you can't even think about it with conventional aircraft. If Germany had been successful, we would now have a German flag up in front of this podium."

"They did make some headway. When we went into Punta Mundy [sp] we captured documents, we got some scientists, we got some hardware. The Russians also got some documents, some scientists, and some hardware. It wasn't until 1947 that we were able to capture a craft, a whole craft, not all together but it was everything. And that occurred near the city of Roswell, New Mexico. There were dead aliens recovered from the craft. In Project Grudge I saw photographs of these dead aliens, of the craft, I saw photographs of live aliens, I saw photographs of autopsies, internal organs, I saw photographs of the alien designated `E.B.'[or Ebe] which was held in captivity from 1949 until June the 2nd, 1952 when he died. I saw the history of what they had been able to at that time put together, from incidents in the 1800's which involved aliens and their craft."

"I saw the names of projects. I saw a project that was to fly recovered alien craft that had been recovered intact and undamaged, and some of them were recovered intact and undamaged, and how that happened I have no idea. It was called `Project Redlight,' and first was conducted from the Tonopah test range in the Nevada test site and then was moved to a specially built area, ordered built by president Eisenhower, called `Area-51,' code named `Dreamland,' in the Groom [sp] dry lake area of the Nevada test site, by secret executive order. It doesn't exist officially, if you ask anyone, or if you write letters to the government they will tell you it doesn't exist. However if you go out there at several places and see it, fly outside the boundaries and look down and see it, you know it's there, but according to the government it doesn't exist."

"The project to fly, test fly these craft, was ongoing until sometime in 1962 when a craft blew up not far from the test sight, in the air, and the explosion was seen over a three-state area. The pilots were killed, they had no idea what had happened or why the craft blew up, but they put Project Redlight on hold until a later date when the aliens supplied us with 3-craft and personnel to help us learn how to fly these craft. That project is ongoing and we now have not only alien craft that we are flying, we have craft we have built, using the captured technology, and some of the UFO's that people report seeing in the United States, and maybe even elsewhere, are flown by United States personnel."

"That may come as a shock to you. We have technology way beyond the limits of what we have been told. A lot of our development technologically, since the end of World War II, has been due to the exchange of technology which occurs in the area called `Area-51' on a regular basis... ongoing."

"When James Oberth, professor Oberth retired, many of you don't know who he is... not too many space people in here. Professor Oberth was probably one of the greatest rocket scientists and space commentists that ever lived. When he retired, the government gave him a special award, there was a press conference, all kinds of ceremony, and when he got up to speak he said, `Gentlemen,' and I quote professor Oberth, he said, `Gentlemen, we cannot take credit for all the technological developments that we have had in the last decade. We have had help,' and that's where he stopped."

"One of the reporters raised his hand and said, `Professor Oberth, can you tell us what other country helped us?'"

"He said, `It was those little guys from out in space,' and then he got down and would not comment any further. Now this occurred in 1959. I can go on and on but time doesn't allow it."

"I will tell you ladies and gentlemen that there are all kinds of things going on all the time, we are making rapid progress in exposing this. Since I have begun talking, people have been coming out of the woodwork at a rapid rate, who know and have pieces of this puzzle, and are helping us to put it together, because I don't have all the answers. I saw an awful lot of material, I have remembered an awful lot of it, I have probably, in my remembering, made some mistakes, and I guarantee you they're minor ones, if I have."

"We have just recently, for those of you who didn't believe that the Jason Society of the Jason Scholars, the secret group existed, we now have a letter from the Pentagon, with 51 names of the Jason Scholars, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold the highest security clearances in the nation, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold the protocol rank of Rear Admiral, and are treated as such on any military installation or in any government office. There are 6 Nobel Prize winners on that list, there are the elite of the elite of the scientific world, they are the only ones who really know the truth about the technology today and about the real science of physics, because the one that we're being taught all the time... If you send your kids to college to learn physics you're wasting your money because they're teaching them stuff that doesn't work, it's not true, it's not real. Gravity is not what we think it is. There IS a Unified Theory! We already know what it is, it's what makes these craft work. It's absolutely incredible what's going on."

"How many of you keep up with Billy Goodman's show on KVEG out of Las Vegas? For those of you who don't, I would try tuning in on any night between 10:00 PM and 1:00 AM. It's 840 on your AM dial, and the subject every night are those subjects that no other media person in the United States will touch with a 10 foot pole, every single night except Saturday night. It's the only show that you can call in and talk to another caller, you've got 3-minutes to say whatever you want to say as long as you don't cuss or swear or slander anyone, and every night they're helping to expose this."

"When John Lear and I first said what was going on out at Groom Lake everybody said, 'You're nuts, there's nothing going on out at Groom Lake!' The listeners of the Billy Goodman radio show put together an excursion and went up to Groom Lake and they all, ever since, every night, they go up there and watch them test fly the alien craft... every night! The first night they had 100 people there. And 100 people saw 4 alien craft fly, doing things that no airplane and no helicopter can do. Now they don't tell us anymore that there's nothing happening at Groom Lake. What they tell us now is there's no such thing as aliens, it's all government secret projects. That's okay because we'll prove that wrong too eventually, it just takes awhile. Because where we WERE... it's not where we're AT, and I'm really happy about that."

"Now, if you want to see what's happening right now, keep watching your movies, keep watching your television commercials, your alien programs on television, read Whitley Streiber's `Majestic' which is a part of the contingency plan called `Majestic' to test the reaction of the population to the presence of aliens on the Earth. And I have just finished my study of Whitley Streiber's book `Majestic,' and I'm gonna tell you right now that most of the documents in there, that he says are fiction, are real documents that came right out of Project Grudge. It is part of the government's campaign to leak information out in ways that they can always deny that it's real. There's only one thing wrong with the information in that book, the stories of the characters in there I know nothing about. What I'm talking about are the supposed government documents that he has in that book. I'm telling you tonight they're real. Those are some of the same documents that I saw in Project Grudge back between 1970 & 1973, and where we have wondered before, now we know that Whitley Streiber IS working for the government. And we had a suspicion anyway because in the front of his book he states that he got information and was helped by the research team of Moore, Shanderey, and Friedman. William Moore has publicly admitted on July the 1st that he is an agent of the United States Government, and we know that the others are too."

"This is gonna come out, and the reason they're doing it the way they're doing it is they know eventually you're gonna find out that it's all true and real. They're desensitizing you so that you're not shocked, so that there's no collapse of society as we know it, so that the religious structure doesn't fall to pieces, so that the stock market doesn't go crazy, because these were their original fears. Now, there's nothing we can do about the last one because it's already happened, there will be a segment of the population that worships the aliens, even though they're no different than us they're just from somewhere else, and they may look a little different. They are not gods. But there are already people worshipping the aliens and they predicted this would happen when they slapped the secret stamp all over all this stuff."

"You know, there's really nothing wrong with what's been happening except for 3 things;" [Cooper forgot to mention the 3rd thing, or was sidetracked, or included it into the 2nd thing.] Number one, when they decided to keep it secret they needed to finance it, they couldn't tell the public so they couldn't tell Congress. They decided to finance it with the sale, importation and sale, of drugs. Now in the documents that I read, in Operation Majority, it specifically stated that when George Bush was the president and CEO of Sapata [sp] Oil, he, in conjunction with the CIA, organized the first large scale drug importation into this country from South and Central America by fishing boat, to the offshore oil platforms of Sapata Oil, and then from there into the beach, thus bypassing all Customs inspections and law enforcement inspections of any kind. They are still bringing in drugs, to a limited extent, in this manner. Another manner is by CIA contract aircraft which, one of their bases of landing is Homestead [sp] Air Force Base in Florida. We have affidavits from air controllers who have vectored the planes in, who have made sure that they're not interfered with in any way. We have affidavits from personnel at Homestead Air Force Base who say the planes have been met by Zeb Bush, who's George Bush's son. We have affidavits from people who work in the Gulf of Mexico, in the offshore oil business, that yes indeed, the drugs are coming in, at least some of them, from the offshore oil platforms."

From the audience came a clear statement, "Just say no?"

"Pardon?... Right! Just Say No! Well that's what we're gonna do ladies and gentlemen with your help... we are going to say NO, no more! And you gotta do it, you gotta act. You either gotta act, or watch your country go down the tubes."

"Now, that's one of the things that's wrong. The next thing that's wrong is, to keep the secret, they killed a lot of people who tried to leak it out. And if I hadn't done it the way that I did it, you wouldn't be seeing me anywhere standing or walking on this Earth now. They killed president Kennedy and during the workshop, for those of you haven't seen the tape, I will show you, on the tape, who shot the president and why. Between '70 and '73, in Operation Majority it stated verbatim that President Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to cease the importation and sale of drugs to the American people, that he ordered them to implement a plan to reveal the presence of aliens to the American people within the following year. His assassination was ordered by the policy committee of the Vilderbergers. MJ-12 implemented the plan and carried it out in Dallas. It involved agents of the CIA, Division-5 of the FBI, the Secret Service, and the office of Naval Intelligence. President Kennedy was killed by the driver of his car, his name was William Greer, he used a recoil-less, electrically operated, gas-powered assassination pistol that was specially built by the CIA to assassinate people at close range. It fired an explosive pellet which injected a large amount of shellfish poison into the brain, an that is why, in the documents, it stated that President Kennedy's brain was removed. If you've studied the case, you will find that indeed his brain disappeared. The reason for that is so that they would not find the particles of the exploding pellet or the shellfish poison in his brain which would have proved conclusively that Lee Harvey Oswald was NOT the assassin. In fact, Lee Harvey Oswald never fired a shot, he was the patsy."

Mr. Cooper paused briefly, and a lady in the audience asked the obvious question, "Why haven't YOU been assassinated?"

"If they were to kill me right now, what would you think?" Cooper posed.

"That it's the truth," several people chimed.

"I've got `em right where I want `em. If they touch me, everyone who's ever heard me talk is gonna be absolutely enraged and is gonna know that everything I've said is true. As long as they don't touch me there's gonna be some of you who are always gonna be wondering. But eventually we're gonna bring enough proof out, and if you're here during the workshop you're gonna see an awful lot of it that's gonna prove to you that it's true. It's real. And it's happening!"

"Okay, I've tried to cover a lot of stuff, just briefly, because there's no time in 45 minutes to get into anything very much."

Mr. Cooper then announced the scheduled workshop session the following day in which tangible proofs could be seen but regrettably I was unable to attend. He then opened up the floor to questions and answers.

A muffled question was barely heard coming from the front of the room which in essence asked, "What about all the people in the press and others who were in Dallas and who saw the assassination? Couldn't they tell where the shot came from, why didn't they come forward? There must have been plenty."

"There was, we know that there was at least 18 who were all murdered within 2-years of the event. The odds of that happening are 1 in 300,000 trillion," Cooper replied.

Again a muffled question, "Why did the DRIVER have to shoot Kennedy?"

"Because the other fools missed! There were a total of 3-shots fired at President Kennedy, one hit him in the throat and didn't kill him and 2 of them hit John Connelly [sp]. The one that was fired from the grassy knoll hit the president in the throat. The other 2-shots came from directly behind the limousine, not the school book depository building, and hit Governor Connelly. Governor Connelly, in intelligence community circles, is known as a `can do' man, because he took 2-hits and still kept his mouth shut."

"How is it that the driver, sitting on the front, left-hand side of the car was able to blow off the right side of Kennedy's brain when the bullet actually entered in, and it would have been virtually impossible..." another person asked.

Mr. Cooper seized the gist of his question and injected, "For those of you who have been listening to all these talk show hosts, whose job it is to be a talk show host, and who have not done any legitimate research into this, if you come to the workshop, I will show you, on the tape, how it was done. You will see that Kennedy was, in fact slumped over against Jackie, his head was turned [this direction], it was very simple, it was easy and you will see it with your own eyes."

Another muffled, off-mike question from a member of the audience inquiring why no one else had come forward with the information Mr. Cooper was disseminating, and why those who knew it had kept it secret for so long was quickly answered, "It hasn't been, I'm talkin' about it now. Bill English was talkin' about it 8-years ago but everybody laughed at Bill English. John Lear's been talkin' about it for 3-years and everybody laughed at him. Now that so many people have been talkin' about it, people are startin' to listen and it's about time. Because it's about time that we quit being fools, and that's exactly what they think we are and we prove it to them every day."

Almost all of the questions from the audience were to faint to hear. The next one dealt with the alien technology and asked in essence, "Hasn't any one else [other than the government] come up with the energy technology that the aliens have?" to which Mr. Cooper answered, "There's been quite a few people who've come up with it and they've ALL been stopped, and they'll all continue to be stopped. Because once you have it you have FREE ENERGY. Once you have free energy they no longer have power over you. You understand? That's why they stop it."

Another question asking, "In the film of the assassination which was examined greatly by experts, why didn't THEY conclude that Kennedy's driver shot him?", to which Cooper asked, "Examined by WHO greatly?", and continued, "Most of the film that you can purchase has that segment cut out, and you can always tell it by the person running in the background, they'll run up to here... all of a sudden they'll be down here... running. You will see in most of the clips that you've ever seen on television, or in the movies, or that you're able to get your hands on, you'll see William Greer start to turn like this...", then a muffled comment from the audience, then Cooper answered, "That's because they clipped it out! And on a lot of them, I'll bet you most of you, every time you've seen the clip on television, never looked at the driver anyway.

reprinted with permission




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calperia
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Posted - 07/16/2009 :  10:53:52 AM  Show Profile Send calperia a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow, that's a lot to digest!

I'm not familiar with Mr. Cooper, but I'll do some research on him. I have known for quite some time that Kennedy's death was an "inside job" because I know someone very well, who worked for the CIA, who told me that the former President was "dispatched" because, as he said, "loose lips sink ships"--in other words, Kennedy was a threat to compromising some "secret information" that the government/world "powers that be" didn't want leaked out. I never was made privy to what that information was...but it could have been UFO/alien in origin.

Thanks for the post!

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Posted - 07/27/2009 :  10:42:28 AM  Show Profile Send calperia a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi, Everyone!

I finally found a good version of "The Greatest Story Ever Denied," and I viewed it yesterday. Wow! Very well done, and very interesting. Although I am familiar with a lot of the info in the movie, I was glad to hear from so many people "in the know" who are willing to "tell all" to Congress.

I'm sending this link to some of my "skeptical friends" just to see what they think, after viewing the movie.

Thanks for posting this topic, El!

Have a great week!

As always,
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Posted - 08/09/2009 :  1:19:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit treborn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
How long do you think there going to deny every one from the truth?

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Hi, treborn!

I think they will deny it for as long as they can. It's been going on for decades now, so I really don't think the "powers that be" want to admit they've been covering up the truth about aliens & ufos. Then they'd have to admit that they've been a part (a large part) of the smear campaign to make those of us who have seen E.T.s and UFOs look like complete morons.

And, boy...would that piss off a lot of people!

Have a great week, treborn!

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Originally posted by treborn

How long do you think there going to deny every one from the truth?

My life as i know it will change!




I think i saw in some video that nasa would reveal everything in like 10 years, apparently we are not ready to "hear" it yet.

But i don't know i mean if there were all these alien races and stuff why the hell haven't we seen them? instead of just lights in the sky and having to take peoples words for it? i believe in aliens but it just annoys me that we dont have any undeniable proof. And isnt it a bit strange that they came down to us in the past all the time when we had no historical documents other than cave paintings,and now that we do, they don't come down to "visit" anymore,lol,bloody aliens!!

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Posted - 08/29/2009 :  11:07:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well if anything, I figure they're observing how we're growing up, learning, interacting, etc. Like when scientists setup camp in the rain forest and observe a group of cougars for a few weeks. The scientists would also capture the cougars from time to time to put trackers on them so we can observe them by satellite. We'd also collect blood samples and whatnot. The aliens are obviously doing the same thing. We're like wild cougars in the rain forest and they've just come to watch.

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Posted - 08/29/2009 :  1:26:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why would he say that these aircraft could go at light speed or better? everyone knows thats impossible.

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Posted - 08/29/2009 :  1:44:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Either that or these aliens arnt just advanced their at the pinnacle of technology!

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Posted - 08/29/2009 :  1:55:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
wow, i just looked up particalisation, you might wanna check this video out, very strange:

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Edited by - Rob Mc on 08/29/2009 1:56:02 PM
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Posted - 08/29/2009 :  2:07:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe that the speed of light is the terminal velocity of the universe. That theory is based on the fact that the universe is constantly expanding at the speed of light. That doesn't mean it's the fastest something could possibly go, however. When a person falls out of an airplane, they start off falling at (for example) 1 mps (mile per second), the 2nd second they'd travel 2 mps, the 3rd second they'd travel 3 mps, the 4th second they'd travel 4 mps, the 5th second they'd travel 5 mps, but then the 6th second, they'd still travel 5 mps, same for the 7th second, 8th second, etc, until they hit the ground. Terminal velocity is the fastest that an object can travel with that much mass with that amount of gravity with that much resistance (M x G x R). If you were to change any of those factors, the person would accelerate at a much different speed, whether that's quicker or slower. For instance, a nude man will fall a lot slower than a man strapped to 50 pounds of weights.

If we were to somehow change the factors of the universe for ourselves (and our vehicles) then we could quite possibly far exceed the speed of light. To say that anything is impossible is rather ridiculous, to say the least.

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Posted - 08/29/2009 :  2:26:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brandon Dennis

I believe that the speed of light is the terminal velocity of the universe. That theory is based on the fact that the universe is constantly expanding at the speed of light. That doesn't mean it's the fastest something could possibly go, however. When a person falls out of an airplane, they start off falling at (for example) 1 mps (mile per second), the 2nd second they'd travel 2 mps, the 3rd second they'd travel 3 mps, the 4th second they'd travel 4 mps, the 5th second they'd travel 5 mps, but then the 6th second, they'd still travel 5 mps, same for the 7th second, 8th second, etc, until they hit the ground. Terminal velocity is the fastest that an object can travel with that much mass with that amount of gravity with that much resistance (M x G x R). If you were to change any of those factors, the person would accelerate at a much different speed, whether that's quicker or slower. For instance, a nude man will fall a lot slower than a man strapped to 50 pounds of weights.

If we were to somehow change the factors of the universe for ourselves (and our vehicles) then we could quite possibly far exceed the speed of light. To say that anything is impossible is rather ridiculous, to say the least.

The state is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.
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I didn't mean impossible as in impossible, i mean as of right now it is impossible.

Anyways the only reason light can travel at light speed is because it has no mass. Say for instance, for every 5 mph, a car needs 10 break horse power, now once it gets to 100mph you will discover that it now needs 20 break horse power for every 5mph added to the top speed, because the faster something goes the heavier it gets. Now, if something was to move at light speed it would be of infinite mass and would therfore require infinite energy too move, going beyond the speed of light in a homogeneous space would hence require more than infinite energy, which is not generally considered to be a sensible notion.

The only way to do it would be to get rid of the laws of relativity, or to distort space-time somehow. And like i said if aliens have discovered how to do this then they have also discovered time travel as at light speed time would dialate to infinity.

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Posted - 08/29/2009 :  2:52:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did you fall asleep in science class? Everything, EVERYTHING has mass. Even singularities have mass. To exist is to have mass. And when things move, they don't get heavier, they just gain more inertia (resistance to change). What makes you think that traveling at the speed of light somehow causes you to have to have an "infinite" amount of energy? The speed of light is not infinite, it is a set number, so why would an object traveling at the speed of light need an infinite source of energy?

The state is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.
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