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Elrick
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 Posted - 05/15/2009 : 08:54:30 AM
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Hmmm not sure if it's a second strain or not. Definately keep us updated if you hear anything good. I know one thing, I'm getting sick of seeing all these commercials showing Obama giving his speech on clean coal technology. What idiots people must be if they think that there is a way to burn coal safely and efficiently. There are very good reasons why we got out of the coal bussiness. The only reason I can think of to go back to coal might be for simple greed. Since it is a nonrenewable resource like other fossil fuels, the price can be highly regulated. We are taking steps backwards when we should be proceeding forwards. Returning to a primative source of energy with far less energy returns while polluting the environment even more, makes absolutely no sense. They dont want to proceed forwards with technology because it works against the greed principle. We have a struggling economy and everyone is being hit hard in the pocket. Free(er) energy could do so much for our world but we are too distracted by crap like swine flu to even have time to deal with the junk that shouldnt even be on the table....like clean coal technology. I get a sad little chuckle every time I hear the words clean coal. One of these days I'll make a free energy topic. This isnt really the place for it. I'm just aggravated about it at the moment.
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Elrick
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Posted - 05/15/2009 : 10:21:28 AM
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Yep, getting more reports on the swine flu as we speak. There is mention of another death but no details yet. The flu bug that seems to be going around locally starts with a soar throat. My symptoms were a soar throat, soar muscles, soar lower back, head on fire from headache, and general weakness. Some of my students have reported vomiting but I didnt experience any of that. I went into work yesterday and the other teacher was in pretty bad shape, much worse then I had been. But the exact same symptoms. I wondered why he even came in. He has been suffering from it for 3 days and says he probably wont go in today if its the same. I was better within 24hrs so I feel bad for him. I hope he doesnt come in tonight. No need to be spreading it to students. I have always been fortunate in rarely catching the flu and when I do, it burns through my system very quickly. Sam (other teacher) is not so fortunate. I dont think it's swine but whatever is going around here right now is kind of nasty.
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Grey
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 07:12:46 AM
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Get well soon Elrick!
I haven't heard about this new strain of swine flu, probably because it hasn't reached Europe (yet).
Something which you may not have heard, apparently Swine Flu has been traced back to an American-owned company's factory in Mexico. Apparently they were making some sort of pig product, and the carcasses of the animals were not disposed properly, and were just left to rot, as was their excrement.
This is apparently the cause of swine flu.
Frankly, I'm just glad it isn't something like Ebola.
If anyone wonders, I'm one of the guardians of this site, a veteran forum member.
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Elrick
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 10:23:20 AM
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I dont think I had swine but I have no idea what I had. It only lasted a day but that is usual for me. The other guy at work had it for 3-4 days. I saw him last night at work and he is getting better. I was still surprised he showed up though.
I had heard that the H1N1 virus was harvested from the bodies of the victims from the 1918 outbreak. Supposedly, bodies were dug up frozen in the ice in the far north. I have no idea if this is true but I wouldnt doubt it. Flues never start in Mexico. I heard that new or mutated flu strains usually seem to come out of the asian countries and work their way this way. A major contributer to the subtle mutations and path of the flu each year have something to do with birds and water but I dont know the details. We know the usual world path a flu virus will travel and we are usually able to predict its coarse and prepare the appropriote flu shot to fight it before is ever reaches the U.S.. They talked about this on one of those Alex Jones shows but I dont remember the full details or how much truth there is to it. And why so many mexican deaths but hardly any anywhere else?
Here is my theory (rather weak but Ill still put it out there). I think Mexico is resistant to this North American Union they want. We supposedly have a lot of violence going on down there due to drug wars, or at least thats what they were telling us as they were warning spring break vacationists not to go to Mexico. I get the feeling that the U.S. is orchestrating something to force them into this union. I dont know if the plan is to crush the country financially to where they have no other choice but to join, or if we are creating a situation that is so bad the U.S. has to go in a take control and save the day like they like to appear so often (they do like to pretend to be the saviors for the problems they create in the first place).
Im wondering if this version of the h1n1 virus has been genetically altered to be more harmful to mexicans, much like the aids virus is to Africans? It seems awefully strange that so many mexicans are dying but only a couple americans have died, yet we have over 4000 reported cases in the U.S.. Could this be some ploy to gain control in Mexico and further the North American Union agenda? I havent really studied this or anything so I am just throwing out a few gut feelings.
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Daan Tant
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 11:16:36 AM
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It has supposedly reached Europe a few days ago... Ain't biting it though
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HumanAlien
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 11:17:15 AM
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For a while there, it was only mexicans dieing from this flu. I don't
know if any other race has died from it yet. I haven't heard anything
yet. Donald Rumsfeld company that makes tamiflu came out and said
themselves that this H1N1 virus looks like it was created and released
from a lab. I don't know why they would say that but they did. Also,
The World Health Organization (Who) said the same thing but then they
changed their mind later. What's up with that?
I to heard that this virus was created so that it would kill many
mexicans and totally destroy their economy. This was probably done so
that america could come to the rescue and save the day like elrick
said. This was probably a display of power to the mexican people. It
showed them what we are capable of doing so they had better fall in
line with the nwo plans or suffer worse fates to come.
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HumanAlien
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Elrick
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 3:35:26 PM
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Thx for the link H/A. 5 still isnt that bad really. I would be interested in knowing if all of the victims had pre-existing conditions that led to their deaths. If any of the Americans that have died were fully healthy before catching h1n1, then it would most interesting to know if they had any sort of mexican heritage. I want to know if it's just killing already unhealthy individuals (kind of like seeking out the weaker of the species and killing them so that only the strong survive) or if it's killing perfectly healthy mexicans as well. Also, does anyone know the the death toll world-wide yet? There are rumors that it is much higher then they are admitting to.
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HumanAlien
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 3:50:53 PM
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Well. We already know this latest person that died had preexisting
problems and so did that 23 month old toddler that died in texas.
There are 2 people at my job that have the flu right now and to me
it doesn't look any different than the regular flu. Of course, i
don't know if it is swine flu they have or not but they are pretty
sick with it and yet they still show up for work.
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Elrick
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 4:07:58 PM
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Yeah that sucks to that people barely get by as it is so when they get sick they are forced to go to work if they still want to pay their bills. Our other teacher never missed a day while he was sick, although he probably should have.
***on a side note - Aliendude is now Abductodude at his request. Just so you know. I was able to salvage his forum-count so he didnt lose his status.
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HumanAlien
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 5:41:53 PM
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Yeah. I already saw that about Abductodude. Wasn't sure if he was
playing with us again or what.
Thanks for letting us know...
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Carson Dane
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Posted - 05/18/2009 : 6:17:17 PM
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I'm back to post my assignment from HumanAlien. But first I want to compliment Grey's post about the conditions at a "factory" in Mexico. This strikes me a significant "epicenter" information, upon which I enjoyed Elrick's follow-up posts. Also, Elrick accuratey escribes the symptoms I'm observing here in the OC. People describe one or more of these symptoms but not all them. I think the reason different people experience different symptoms is because the same virus reacts differently with people according to genetic differences.
Alex Jones has a great show and Steve Quayle is an excellent guest. Both deserve the livelihoods they’re earning, if for no other reason than the entertainment value produced. However, seriously, they produce values by bringing forth issues that need to be thought about, and talked about. Steve Quayle introduces important ideas and questions, and, Alex Jones provides a format that offers people the opportunity to integrate ideas and make up their own minds. I’m more of the Jones bent. An imaginative writer, my style is to proffer alternative viewpoints, and promote independent thinking.
Before going on, I preface my understanding of the human mind, by referencing “carrying capacity”, “coincidence,” and “secret societies”. As you know, carrying capacity, in nature represents the number of a species that an ecological niche can support. When carrying capacity is exceeded, a species begins to suffer problems as a natural consequence, sickness among other things. 666 is a human number: It represents the carrying capacity of earth – 6.66 billion people – a point at which nature’s consequence comes into play. Human minds “conjure up” reasons that aren’t real to explain the consequences. People believe “there are no coincidences” because through the generations people have been victims of deceptive conspiracies of authoritarian regimes. Nevertheless, people use their minds to “invent” reasons to connect events that coincide in time. Secret societies started from people that wanted to speak freely about “Church” and “State” at times in history when they could be prosecuted or killed for doing so. Church and State hated people speaking outside the “dogmas”, so the societies had to be secret. I don’t blame people. Paranoia is a defensive response after being duped for millennia by institutions believed to be trustworthy, so, people have a propensity to create connections that aren’t real.
Quayle is to be seriously listened to and respected. My viewpoint differs on unity and capabilities of elites. Two types of elites exist, and they’re not unified. Let’s call them Tyrants’ Club vs. Greedy Profiteers. I characterize Tyrants’ Club based upon Quayle’s luciferian / satan and UN concerns. Taking the theme proffered in the YouTube videos; I understand that Tyrants’ Club wants to reduce earth’s population by 90% so that they can go back to the simpler, more traditional form of rule used centuries and millennia ago. They’re losing ground quickly as people become educated and smarter through generations. Tyrants’ Club can be expected to pull some desperate and terrible events to deceive and coerce people back to the way things were. Tyrants’ Club is better at duping people than Greedy Profiteers. Tyrants’ Club is expert at influencing minds structured toward external authority; after all, Tyrants’ Club perfected the use and deployment of non-sequitors and speciousness to secure the power base and influence they’re about to lose.
I characterize Greedy Profiteers upon Quayle’s NWO concerns. Greedy Profiteers can’t stand the thought of losing 90% of their market! After years of gaining marketing, promotion, sales, and advertizing expertise; the Greedy Profiteers understand the techniques used by Tyrants’ Club and don’t like what Tyrants’ Club has been doing with those; instead believing the Tyrants’ Club’s ancient external authority control schemes, suppress consumer demand and even new markets. The Greedy Profiteers seek to eliminate the Tyrants’ Club by deploying the same techniques differently to affect Tyrants’ Club’s duped followers’ external authority beliefs to a more individual and personal bent, leaving more mind space and time for those people to contemplate partaking in consumerism. Greedy Profiteers want to eliminate Tyrants’ Club, which they see as an “unneeded middle-man”, impeding their continuing quest for endless profits. This presents a problem: In its death throes, Tyrants’ Club is bound to thrash about and hurt innocent people. In particular, Tyrant’s Club desperately wants to hurt the “western materialists” especially of Europe and North America. However, Tyrant’s Club is losing ground worldwide: Tyrant’s Club is the “Old World Order”, soon outcompeted and replaced completely by the “New World Order” Greedy Profiteers. Interesting thing to note about the Greedy Profiteers: In spite of their selfish drive to have the most and be “on top” of it all “above others”, they create products and services that benefit people – improving the human condition and moving it forward, at least physically / biologically – whether they intend to or not. To maximize profits, the Greedy Profiteers will have to promote “Representative” democracy and “Honest” business. As people increasingly find it easier to identify, understand, recognize, and then reject the “techniques” used by Tyrant’s Club, the Greedy Profiteer’s goal of eliminating Tyrant’s Club is quickened. Then the Greedy Profiteers face a new challenge – smarter “Consumers”.
On the subject of artificially manufacturing and deploying a virus to cause mass casualties worldwide: I don’t think the organizations of concern cited in the YouTube videos have logistic and knowhow capabilities as formidable as they’d like masses of people motivated by fear to believe. Similarly, efficiency of field operations by these organizations as suggested is questionable. Example: UN troop deployments have only 1/10th efficiency of U.S, troops, and only 100th efficiency of private companies that perform military work. Several years ago there was word of a UN Battalion massacred somewhere in West Africa. I wonder if the UN knows who massacred a battalion of its troops, I don’t. I’m aware of the issues raised about Baxter. Knowing what I know about manufacturing, Baxter’s competition, the UN, and the effort needed to weaponize biologics on the scale suggested, I’m not concerned. I’m reminded of a terror group that gassed a subway station in Tokyo several years ago; they also blew many anthrax spores off the tops of some skyscrapers – for weeks – with no affect because of lack of technical sophistication and knowhow. Of what I know about some of the organizations, which Quayle has legitimate concerns, to add my twist about chemtrails here is to worry even less about a mass “virus” attack.
On the topic of manufactured biological weapons, designed to take out specific genetically identified targets in close operational settings: I’m sure the U.S. military has that capability, and given the technical expertise package including the C&D (clean and disinfect procedures) I don’t have any problem with that.
As far as the Swine flu story to cover over the prisoner interrogation abuse story, I think it could be so; or, maybe to cover over the ongoing “offensive” in Afghanistan / Pakistan. With the prisoner interrogation abuse story, I’m suspicious at how forcefully “water boarding” is thrust front and center; makes me wonder what technique has really been used. I looked at pictures available on Live Leak couldn’t come up with any ideas, and I don’t have any source to find out more about that...
On the other hand, there is something Flu-like going round in OC. It is late in the season; it would seem, for a flu outbreak here now. However, to know about variations in the usual flu season, look at the jet stream from East Asia to see when and where it passes overhead, i.e. looking at jet steam maps and data on an internet weather site. I haven’t done so yet.
Thanks for pointing me to the YouTube videos; so many subjects touched upon, I could go on… The premise of Jones’s show is a solid base that allows for wide-spectrum analysis, allowing viewers to integrate information and make up their own minds. I’m going to recommend it to others.
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Elrick
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Posted - 05/18/2009 : 8:20:31 PM
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Thx for the informative post Carson. I have to agree with the majority of what you said. People here are saying that it's a little off-season for a flu to be going around right now but weather patterns have been slightly changing so maybe the flu season has to reflect some of those changes. I really dont know. I have to commend guys like Alex Jones for bringing these issues to a wider audience. You dont have to like them and you dont have to agree with them. But like I have always said, it is better to be aware of the possibilities so that we can recognize them if they surface in reality. If you dont realize something is possible then you can't see it coming. Carson I like how you split the 2 groups into Tyrants’ Club and Greedy Profiteers....very nice.
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HumanAlien
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Posted - 05/18/2009 : 10:26:00 PM
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The things is that we have had changing weather patterns before for
centuries and we pretty much know when flu season is upon us.
I wasn't quite sure if you were saying that this flu is swine flu or
normal flu but in either case, our flu season isn't here yet so why
is this flu traveling all over the world?
I'm sure you know that this is the swine flu going around. I probably
just misunderstood what you were saying.
Although a Tyrants’ Club and Greedy Profiteers could fit into your
equation, i don't believe this is the case. The elite that are running
the show are already so filthy stinking rich that they need no more
money. What they seek now is total domination over the entire world
and their ultimate plan is to wipe out around 90 percent of the
population.
They will keep enough of us alive to serve them. They will need slave
labor and that will be the people in the concentration camps.
They will use some of us in experiments and others as sex slaves and
just general play toys.
This is just my opinion on this. I have no solid facts to back it up
but what else would they need us for?
Your post was very interesting though and it does give me more to
think about. I'm glad you joined these forums, Carson Dane.
***Edit***
Hey Carson Dane. When your posts are going to be long ones,
could you please break them up in paragraphs to make it easier
to read? Thank-you..
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Elrick
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Posted - 05/18/2009 : 11:37:20 PM
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Personally I think there are more then just 2 groups but I viewed this as seperating them by agenda which most groups fall into one of the 2. I agree though with H/A on the long posts. Some breaks would make it easier to read. I am guilty of this too occasionally.
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Swine Flu - Here we go again
