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Abductodude
Galactic Member
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 Posted - 07/31/2009 : 4:25:13 PM
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Has anyone though about the possibility of Aliens being the messangers of god? (Angels)
I have though about this for a while. Tell me what you think.
Maybe there trying to warn us about something?
I Support peace. But will Fight for Freedom!
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treborn
Galactic Member
USA
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Posted - 07/31/2009 : 8:32:47 PM
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Thats a good theory i had the same thought.So if they are messengers of God then most the sightings of a ufo could be them checking out earth For Godor something like that.
I had this thought after 2006 so what made you think that?
My life as i know it will change!
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HumanAlien
Galactic Member
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 12:01:42 AM
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Don't worry. Elrick will help you on that subject. tee hee 
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Elrick
Galactic Member
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 12:49:03 AM
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Nah, I'm feeling good right now. I know some of you who are used to my approach to religion/god might expect me to jump in and slam this topic for entertaining the idea of a physical god in the first place but I feel the need to take a different approach. I am very calm at the moment and in a good place. All is quite, finally. It's very peaceful. All I will do is ask a few questions.
1. What is it that you think god is, that it would have servants/messengers that it sends out to do its work for it?
2. Why does an "omnipotent and omniscient" God need any help?
3. When it is our turn to be travelers among the stars and we discover a planet that has primative lifeforms, will they think that we are the messengers of god too or possibly even gods ourselves and would you allow them to think that we were?
4. Which scenario do you think is most likely to be possible with what we know today? (1) That N.I.B.s (Nonhuman Intelligent Beings) were mistaken for gods or angles, or (2) That angels were mistaken as N.I.B.s?
Answering questions such as these will get you much closer to finding your own answer. It is not right for me to tell you what that answer is. You should find it yourself or it is meaningless. The answers that you need to find may differ from my own. I've come to the conclusion recently that decisions/beliefs concerning god are far too personal to be made by anyone other then yourself. It's not my place to tell you what to believe. I get much more enjoyment out of promoting critical thinking. I would help you find your answer but I withdraw from telling you what that answer should be. I hope you understand.
I believe I may have been wrong in my approach to some of our previous conversations about God H/A and I apologize. I let my emotions cloud my judgement and often unfairly dismissed your view. I am trying to work on that now though.
"For the devout believer, no evidence is necessary. For the devout skeptic, no evidence will suffice." |
Edited by - Elrick on 08/01/2009 01:00:44 AM |
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Brandon Dennis
Galactic Member
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 12:58:32 AM
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What Elrick is trying to say is, he's only human. 
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HumanAlien
Galactic Member
USA
1995 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2009 : 01:02:13 AM
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Oh sure. Put on the kid gloves for Abductodude. LOL
No need to apologize Elrick. I thoroughly enjoyed those nice little
chats we had. I have a mind of my own and i make my own decissions
in life, no matter what anyone says.
Getting another viewpoint concerning God from you was well recieved
and it did help me in my search for answers about God and i do thank
you for that.
The ball is now in my court and it's up to me as to which path i will
take.
I do believe somewhat as you do, in that God "for lack of a better
name" does exist but i don't believe it desires worship from us
humans. I think God just wants humans to recognize that it is out
there and is responsible for creating the universe and other things
that we have yet to discover.
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Abductodude
Galactic Member
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 01:04:49 AM
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Wow. Elrick,you sure are,uhhh,Smart. Lol. I didn't know what to do. And Kid gloves? Lol. I'm not smart though.
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Elrick
Galactic Member
USA
3119 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2009 : 10:30:15 AM
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Well, you may not think you are smart but you definately are not stupid abducto. And you can always better yourself if there is something you are not happy with. That's sort of what I am working on. My point was that on this journey we all have our own answers to find. There is the person we are and the person we want to be and sometimes it can take a bit to get to that person we want to be. Many never make it to the person they want to be and get sidetracked along the way by all of the noise. Many people are disgusted with something about themselves deep inside but all you have to do is change it. It's that simple if you truly have the desire.
There was no comfortable way for me to answer your question without going into the nature of the god concept. But God is something you have to decide on for yourself. You control your own life and if I tell you what to believe then you are giving up some of that control to me and walking my path instead of your own. I don't want that. It's ok to share a path but unlike the church, I dont feel comfortable telling you what that path should be. Because to be honest, I dont know what the correct path for you might be. I don't even know my own yet. It could be that there is no "correct" path, there are just paths, neither right or wrong.
With something so big as believing or not believing in God, I think you really need to "own" your own answers. It needs to be yours if you are to truly believe it. I could tell you that the god concept as humans have conceived it, is flawed. I could say that you are so much more than you know. I could tell you that you do not need to give your power away to others or something else. But they are just words without meaning. It's all meaningless if you dont come to the conclussions yourself. I really think you need to own your beliefs and not carry the beliefs of others. They can coincide with others beliefs but they should still be your own. The world is full of people telling other people what to believe. I dont want to be like that anymore. I think that to truly better the world, we have to better ourselves first.
If you don't change what's on the inside, then how can you expect anything on the outside to change? To change the reflection in the mirror is to change what's being reflected. It all starts with us and who we want to be. If I dont like what I see in the mirror, yelling at it, cursing it or breaking it to bits is not going to change it. It might make it so I cannot see it so clearly but the image is still the same. I am trying to recognize the qualities in myself that I see in others, that disgust me, and work on them. Something that bothers me most is having a belief forced on me. I dont like it when people tell you what to believe so I am going to try to work on that in myself. Each of us has the freedom to choose our own beliefs and those are not freedoms I wish to take away. They are not mine to take. Those gifts are your own. So I'm trying a new approach to see how it goes. A sort of personal experiment you might say. Sorry to ramble on.
"For the devout believer, no evidence is necessary. For the devout skeptic, no evidence will suffice." |
Edited by - Elrick on 08/01/2009 10:55:21 AM |
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Abductodude
Galactic Member
USA
1042 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2009 : 12:44:14 PM
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Elrick 
Thats beautiful.
I Support peace. But will Fight for Freedom!
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calperia
Galactic Member
USA
686 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2009 : 7:39:58 PM
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Oh, El...
You are such a nice fellow! I know you're "only human" (as are we all), but you are an inspiration at times, my friend...
Your "new approach" is a noble one. I like how you expressed your desire not to trample on someone else's beliefs, or to purposely attempt to change those beliefs. You are very correct in that we ALL must find our way, step by step--the journey is the thing, eh?
Your willingness to see yourself as you truly are, and to work on those aspects of your personality that you deem flawed, is a model for all of us. I think we all can agree that we could find room for improvement, too.
Thanks for sharing, El...and good luck on your personal journey! 
As always,
Your Pal,
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Elrick
Galactic Member
USA
3119 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2009 : 09:17:14 AM
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Oh you are too kind Cal. I might have to go hide for a few days, til the swelling in my head goes down, lol. There is another rather unexpected bonus to this new approach. When talking to somebody who is somewhat familiar with these areas or is open to new ideas, it's not all that difficult. The problem comes in when talking to somebody who is very closed minded and sees the world in simply black and white. The herd mentality is sometimes very difficult to break away from. Im hoping my new approach will allow me to reach people better and somewhat avoid the instinctual defenses that automatically go up when talking to somebody who is not yet open to such ideas. Sometimes how you present the information can make all the difference in how it is received. Nobody likes to have stuff forced down their throat, especially when it taste bad.
"For the devout believer, no evidence is necessary. For the devout skeptic, no evidence will suffice." |
Edited by - Elrick on 08/02/2009 09:19:06 AM |
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HumanAlien
Galactic Member
USA
1995 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2009 : 11:31:43 AM
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I'm no writer by far but i believe that a book has pages, before the
main story starts, where the author can say just about anything.
In this area of the book, you could say something to the effect that
you not trying to force your idea's down anyone's throat but to only
open their minds to other possibilities.
I'm telling you Elrick, that there is a book in you and it's ready to
be written. You come out on this forum and you pour your soul out here
so what would be the difference whether you poured your soul out here
or in a book?
***Edit***
I just realized i posted this in the wrong forum. I'm sorry
for that but i mean what i said.
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Edited by - HumanAlien on 08/02/2009 11:35:10 AM |
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Elrick
Galactic Member
USA
3119 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2009 : 11:58:39 AM
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Thx a lot H/A. I really appreciate all of the support. Guess I'm going to have to write a book, lol. And no biggy about posting it in the wrong topic. It's cool.
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calperia
Galactic Member
USA
686 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2009 : 8:12:24 PM
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Hi, El!
I agree with you 100% that close-minded people (those are the ones whom I refer to as "in the box thinkers") are very difficult to talk to. I have tried sharing some thoughts with a number of them, and I have come to the conclusion that they are either 1) afraid of hellfire & damnation if they listen to such "far-out ideas", or 2) they have a comfort zone that they do not want disturbed.
Now, in all fairness, I have had some success on a small scale with a few "in the box thinkers"--to the point where I got them to peek outside the box a bit. Any progress is progress indeed, eh?
I like your new approach, El. I think it is an enlightened one--a growth spurt, as it were. So I am thrilled for you, and I do wish you great success with it!
I'm sure you know that you will come up against some hard-headed individuals, who will fight any attempt to get them to open their minds. Some people just don't want to look outside the box...Don't get discouraged, though. Even if you can help one person to free his or her thought processes, it will be worth it!
And El, I agree wholeheartedly with H/A: You DO have a book in you...But put it to paper when you feel the time is right. We'll be here to help you in whatever ways we can!
Just remember...I want a signed copy when it gets published!
Have a wonderful week!
Your Pal,
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Brandon Dennis
Galactic Member
USA
1466 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2009 : 11:03:34 PM
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I don't mean to steal ur shadow, El  but I was thinking about writing a book about revolution. Does anyone know how I would go about getting it published?
The state is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.
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"If you want peace prepare for war." ~ Vegetius
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"We may stand alone.....but we stand alone together" ~ Brandon Dennis
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Abductodude
Galactic Member
USA
1042 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2009 : 11:12:24 AM
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GO to the Publisher Ben dover. He'll help.
I Support peace. But will Fight for Freedom!
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Aliens: Messangers?
