| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Epic Faggotory
Reptilian Member
USA
168 Posts |
 Posted - 08/26/2009 : 8:42:05 PM
|
Hello, forum users. I just wanted to know what your view on what us humans call God is. :)
Sigh...
|
|
|
Elrick
Galactic Member
USA
3102 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 8:48:30 PM
|
Oh wow, this is going to be a deep subject, lol. I will refrain from posting at the moment because most of you are likely tired of my view plus I don't have much time at the moment. But I will come back to this subject. I can't help but to....
"For the devout believer, no evidence is necessary. For the devout skeptic, no evidence will suffice." |
 |
|
|
Epic Faggotory
Reptilian Member
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 8:59:49 PM
|
I see this isn't your first time talking about this, Elrick. I would love to hear your opinion sometime soon. I had made this topic because from the time that I've been here I don't think I've seen an official topic about this subject specifically yet.
Sigh... |
|
|
|
Thekherham
Galactic Member
Canada
316 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 10:04:53 PM
|
I don't know what to think about this. When something goes well, we tend to congratulate ourselves; when something bad happens, we tend to blame God.
I'm tired, and I'm going to go to bed soon, so that's all I can come up with right now.
Epic, could you please use a different color. That is so hard to read.
___________________________
That's Tee kee' rahm
I'm a fox-like, auburn-furred, bushy-tailed alien from the planet Tereskadhar. |
|
|
|
Brandon Dennis
Galactic Member
USA
1448 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 11:55:44 PM
|
I could write a whole book about this subject  but I don't want to at the moment so I'll make it brief. I think that there's a certain order to things. I think that there's more to life then what we see. I think that the Universe supports neither good nor evil; I think it's neutral. I think that the true nature of creation is above our comprehension. Doesn't mean we can't try, though, right?
The state is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be... if we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed." ~ Thomas Jefferson
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you want peace prepare for war." ~ Vegetius
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"We may stand alone.....but we stand alone together" ~ Brandon Dennis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
My MSN messenger: Mr.BrandonDennis@gmail.com
My email address: Mr.BrandonDennis@gmail.com |
|
|
|
Rob Mc
Reptilian Member
Ireland
218 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 11:19:44 AM
|
I'm with the other guys, i'm kinda sick of talking about God, every arguement i seem to have outside of this forum seems to revolve around religion, which is understandable considering most of my family are strongly catholic, but whats also interesting is that the other few in my family don't just not believe in God they are actualy very strongly against the notion of religion, so as you can see we can have some very heated arguements on family occasions, haha 
Personally, I just don't like the fact that believing in God is never really through free will, i mean lets be honest when your 2 or 3 years old your gonna believe anything your parents say to you whether it be the fairy tales they read to you or about God. Lets take for instence your born in New York, you might be a jew and you believe that ever other religion is wrong, now lets say your born in England, then you might be a protestant and your gonna believe that every other religion is wrong, now your the son/daughter of Tom Cruise, you might be a scientologist, and then your gonna believe that every other religion is wrong etc,etc,etc....... what i'm getting at is that depending on where your born you will have a different religion and pray to a different God, now considering there is a God what are the chances that you have the right religion? and your God crusader for peace and justice will make you burn hell for the rest of time!
I just don't buy it. Now don't get me wrong i'm not totaly against the idea of God, i mean its very likely that something may have created our universe, but then again that not to say that this creator gives a sh*t about us and has created a place where we can live together peacefully forever. I suppose coming from Ireland didn't help me come to this conclusion, growing up and watching people kill eachother up North because of a different religion, in my eyes religion is a plague, some people pray to God for the right reasons and i respect that, but religion itself was built for the wrong reasons.
I believe i posted this in another thread, but i really like it and for me it really hits home:
Is God willing but not able? then he is not omnipotent.
Is God able but not willing? then he is malevolent
Is God both willing an able? then whench cometh evil?
Is God neither willing nor able? then why call him God
Believe it or not that was actualy written in like the 4th century.
Anyways you should look into watching zeitgeist if you havent already:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist religion&search_type=&aq=f
We are the resistance! |
|
|
|
Brandon Dennis
Galactic Member
USA
1448 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 1:38:33 PM
|
My only problem with it is the "Is God able but not willing? Then he is malevolent" part. Doesn't make him malevolent, just not entirely benevolent. Maybe he's given up. I wouldn't blame him.
All very hypothetical, of course.
The state is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be... if we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed." ~ Thomas Jefferson
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you want peace prepare for war." ~ Vegetius
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"We may stand alone.....but we stand alone together" ~ Brandon Dennis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
My MSN messenger: Mr.BrandonDennis@gmail.com
My email address: Mr.BrandonDennis@gmail.com |
|
|
|
Elrick
Galactic Member
USA
3102 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 2:49:53 PM
|
Fear not Brandon, I feel some book mojo coming on.....wait for it....wait for it...BAM! What a rush. I hope you have a few minutes. Lets begin, shall we lol. 
I caught an episode of wife swap yesterday that showed the typical differences between new agers and christians. One family was spiritual and open. They were into all sorts of mystisism but catered to no religions specifically. They were more the "we are all one with the cosmos" type. They had to switch with a family whose mother/wife was totally the opposite, a fanatic christian. At first everything was ok, but that didnt last long. I felt so bad for the open new-age wife while she was with the other family. The christian lady's friends came over for girls night and they drilled this poor girl about god and her beliefs. It was so uncalled for. They wanted to know what she believed, what religion she was if any, if she believed in god, etc. This one lady was really being condescending to her. They caught her way off guard and the poor spiritualist found herself in a room full of dire-hard christians who all looked down on her. It was like a pack of wolves circling a kill.
The husband of the new age family was so nice to the crazy christian woman too. He even humored her and took his kids to church with her. He was so willing to bend for her so that she would be more comfortable. But the funny thing was that she wasnt willing to bend at all. She didnt give an inch and the family was going out of their way to accommodate her. It was a perfect example of how the "good" christians often take the path of hate and prejudism while the people who weren't christian were more concerned about her having a pleasant experience. Christians should adopt some new sayings. You need to find Jesus, just isnt cutting it anymore. I never understood why he was hiding in the first place. Maybe they could use some sayings already out there like "Our way or the highway" or "Believe what I say or I'll hurt you" because that seems to sum it up better.
I sort of agree with everyone who has posted so far. For me, when considering the god concept as a reality, I have to look at several things. First, where this concept originated and for what purpose. Secondly, the evidence that would provide any validity to it. And thirdly, the consistency. What I mean by that is whether this god being has remained a constant or has went through several changes throughout our history. If I had to give my opinion right now based on these areas I would have to conclude that the god concept is a totally human invention that has no real basis in reality.
Keep in mind that these are my own conclusions. It's perfectly ok to believe in God if that is what you choose. We draw strength and comfort from our beliefs so if that is what does it for you, then have at it. It's just for me, it doesnt work. One major problem for me is this god character himself. He keeps changing. He's had so many faces. For the longest time it was a multi-god world. Monotheism is relatively new on the evolutionary scale of things. It's just been in the last few thousand years. Before that, most belief systems included a multitude of higher and lesser gods. So if I'm actually looking for god, which face is he? Which face am I looking for? Is he Zeus or Odin or perhaps Vulcan? Is he a spiteful vindictive god? Is he and all loving god that will burn you in hell forever if you do not accept his love? I don't know. It's pretty hard to find something if you don't know exactly what you're looking for.
Then there is the problem of lack of evidence. If a god exist then why dont we know it? Or if a god exist but we are irrelevant to its plan and it doesnt interfer, then it doesn't matter. If there really is a god then we should know it 100% without a doubt. We should not be left to wonder if there was really an active god present. I sort of agree with Rob here in the fact that this is way way beyond us at the moment. Humans are so far behind in their perceptions of this reality that there are many smaller hurdles that must be overcome before this understanding is possible. They can't grasp it yet because there is too much missing information. And like Rob, I see religion as a plague upon mankind. Organized religion has contributed very highly to the current under-developed state of humanity.
Imagine for a sec if the whole "live once, die and go to heaven" thing were truth. Say you live a good life and somehow manage to get into heaven. Then what? You might just be stuck in heaven forever with a bunch of snooty christians. That can't be good, lol. Would you be happy knowing that so many people you cared about were suffering in torment forever while you are in paradise? Suppose for a moment that you were not created biologically by your parents, but by a god and that it was only so that you would worship this god or else burn in a fiery pit for eternity. Would you worship a being such as this out of true want or fear?
See, that's the real deal behind this whole god concept and why I can't accept it....fear. Born originally out of fear and lack of understanding of this world and continued even today through fear...fear of the unknown, fear of death, and now thanks to religion, fear of satan and eternal torment. Ask yourself this. If nobody ever told you about a god, do you think you would have come up with this god character on your own? Without actually evidence, it's highly doubtful. We only know about god because our parents taught us, as their parents taught them, and so on and so on. Like I've said before, the only thing humans know about god(s) is what they've made up.
I agree with several of the statements Brandon made. I also think that most humans have misconceptions about the nature of the reality of the human experience. But it is not entirely their fault. This modern society that we are currently a part of, is geared almost entirely towards the physical realm. We acknowledge only the outer while ignoring the inner. Creation is neither good nor evil but all that is possible. It is the human perception that dictates good or evil. The great mystery isn't some fanciful god in the sky that loves everybody. It's us. But who is this observer? Who is it that is experiencing the sensations of the 5 human senses? Who is the ghost in the machine, the "I"? Discovering who or what we really are would be much better time spent then worrying about whether we are pleasing some possessive, stalker, peeping-tom of a god. But we don't. We hand our existence over to some, in all likelyhood, imaginary character with human qualities and ignore our true being. That's what we should be looking for, the real god of our reality...ourselves.
If currently asked what I believe the human god is, I would have to answer something like this: "The human god concept is a fear-based fictional character, invented to explain aspects of this world that were not understood at the time of its creation. With the discovery of new information and better understanding, this fictional character is adapted (with the help of the church) to fit in with the new information, thus tainting it. Human's true freedom is replaced by the will of this fictional god through threats of hellfire and damnation. What should have naturally subsided centuries ago has become a tool for greed and influencing the lives of the masses. It's one of the greatest travesties to the modern human condition."
Well, I'll stop now. That's just my own opinion. As usually everyone is encouraged to find their own answers. These are just mine and you did ask so I shared. Hope I didn't piss anyone off. That certainly was not my intention.
"For the devout believer, no evidence is necessary. For the devout skeptic, no evidence will suffice." |
Edited by - Elrick on 08/27/2009 3:05:47 PM |
|
|
|
Rob Mc
Reptilian Member
Ireland
218 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 3:26:45 PM
|
A lot of good points theres Elrick, my family in particular would be torn apart if the ones who did believe in God got into heaven and the ones who didnt believe in God had to burn in hell, i mean it wouldnt be heaven if most of the people you love are not there and you have to live for the rest of time knowing that these people that you love are in unimaginable pain.
And yes evil is a big part of religion, even reading the bible today i don't understand how people believe God is a "good person", i mean in the book of Job theres a story where God kills a mans livestock,destroys his house and kills his wife and children because he had too much money, and then the man gets down on his knees and praises the Lord. I mean that scares the crap outta me even today,lol
We are the resistance! |
|
|
|
Elrick
Galactic Member
USA
3102 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 9:40:59 PM
|
Oh I totally agree Rob. We had a topic going a while back where we were looking into some of the evils of the bible. I had no idea it was as bad as it is. I think the topic was called "The bible is evil?" or something very similar. I'll bump it if I find it. Doesnt anyone find it odd that we havent come up with anything better to explain our existence then the god bit? I mean come on. We can do better than this. 2000 years ago this was understandable. For example, we thought the earth was flat and the center of our universe then. We thought a lot of silly things. But now? We can do so much better if allowed to truly explore these areas. I dont get why humans would want to be subserviant to something in the first place, even if that thing claims to love you. The very concept of worship is wrong but humans have not been made to see that yet. You are not here to worship something. That is so far off track that...
Anyways, I know sort of how you feel being in a highly religious family where some are apposed to religion. My community is very religious and there seems to be a church of some sort on practically every corner. My mother even tried to go Jehovah for a time. That didnt work out so well. I wish the subject of god would disappear myself, but it is not going to in the immediate future without a little help. It is too well ingrained into our society already. We've carried it so long that we don't want to let it go no matter how much it holds us back. You cant get away from it. It's everywhere. So I figured that if it's not going to go away anytime soon, I might as well help it to the door. If I were to feel this strongly about it and still choose to ignore it, then I would feel that I was no better and had no right to complain about it. Perhaps there is a flaw in my approach. So I will apologize if this forum is too goddy for you. It does seem to come up from time to time, lol. If it starts to bother you, please just ignore it.
Perhaps I tend to talk about it more here because besides in my own house, there really isn't many other places for me to talk about it and express myself. Here I am not considered odd or unusual. It is nice. So you may have noticed that from time to time I get a little...lets just say long-winded, for now. So feel free to skip any of my post that are too long. I have a tendancy to dump too much at once on the forum. I'm trying to work on that too, lol.
"For the devout believer, no evidence is necessary. For the devout skeptic, no evidence will suffice." |
Edited by - Elrick on 08/27/2009 9:47:32 PM |
|
|
|
Brandon Dennis
Galactic Member
USA
1448 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2009 : 10:34:41 PM
|
I enjoy your long posts, El. Keeps the place alive.
The state is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be... if we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed." ~ Thomas Jefferson
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you want peace prepare for war." ~ Vegetius
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"We may stand alone.....but we stand alone together" ~ Brandon Dennis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
My MSN messenger: Mr.BrandonDennis@gmail.com
My email address: Mr.BrandonDennis@gmail.com |
|
|
|
Elrick
Galactic Member
USA
3102 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 07:52:55 AM
|
Thanks Brandon. TheoreticalBS redid his God's checklist video recently. It's not bad. He definately points out some of the problems with all this god worshipping but is mainly focused on christianity. After listening to his checklist, it's really hard to believe that we even fall for this stuff. It's so illogical. Give it a look if you get time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRPbsXBVBo
"For the devout believer, no evidence is necessary. For the devout skeptic, no evidence will suffice." |
|
|
|
Rob Mc
Reptilian Member
Ireland
218 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 09:39:51 AM
|
haha, don't worry El i like your long posts too, and i'm just like you i have nowhere else to talk about the stuff i do on this site, and least now iv said my piece on religion and how i feel about it because iv never discussed with you guys before.
We are the resistance! |
|
|
|
Epic Faggotory
Reptilian Member
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 10:16:09 PM
|
Interesting.
Sigh... |
|
|
|
HumanAlien
Galactic Member
USA
1981 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2009 : 01:24:14 AM
|
For those that don't already know this, God created evil to.
The verse stating this is posted here somewhere.
This is what the bible says anyways, but i believe the bible was
written by man, for man, to control people. To get money from the
collection plate.
I believe in God but not in the sense that this is a god that requires
worship. I believe God is the original creator of the multi-verse but
not the creator of humans.
I once read where God created the universe and then it created a race
of master creators to create life in this universe. I guess we would
call them aliens.
There is plenty of info on the net that tells us that we humans are
a mixture of many different alien species and after a long hard
fight about the reality of the God concept, i began believing in this
theory. It's the only thing that makes sense to me right now.
God was suppose to be perfect and everything it did was done in
perfection but if you just look at nature, you can see things aren't
as perfect as we think they are.
I watched a movie on the discovery channel that talked about people
with brain problems and other body problems.
All these problems these people were suffering from came from tiny
worms eating their way through the body and the brains of these
people. These worms started out as eggs that mosquito's sucked up
from the blood of animals and when they attack humans, these eggs
are deposited inside the human host. Thus their journey starts as
the eggs hatch in the intestines and they burrow their way through
the body until they reach the brain. This will become their home
where they eat the brain matter that causes these people all sorts
of problems.
Now tell me why God would need to even create this worm to begin with.
It serves no purpose other than to exist and procreate. It doesn't
have any natural predators to be used as food like the mosquito, so
why would God need to create this worm.
I know this isn't a good example of the imperfection of God but it
was the first thing that popped up in my head.
Anyway, for now, i'll stick with aliens being our creator but not
our god. We have no god to pray to. Only mans man-made god.
------------------------------------------------------------
You Are A Spirit Having A Human Experience! |
|
|
|
Brandon Dennis
Galactic Member
USA
1448 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2009 : 02:51:58 AM
|
Ha, I saw that episode. It was on sometime in the past few weeks. I imagine the purpose for those worms is simply crowd control. Think about it. Why do viruses exist? To limit the population of other species.
The state is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be... if we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed." ~ Thomas Jefferson
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you want peace prepare for war." ~ Vegetius
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"We may stand alone.....but we stand alone together" ~ Brandon Dennis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
My MSN messenger: Mr.BrandonDennis@gmail.com
My email address: Mr.BrandonDennis@gmail.com |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
What is Your View on God?
